Discussion:
To all the "Brand-Name Snobs" out there..
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Andy
2006-02-25 07:31:17 UTC
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FWIW, the worst guitar I've ever owned was a genuine Ric 620/12.
Looked great tho'
Andy.
I can believe that.
I used to own a ric 320 330 and 360 and I couldn't get rid of them fast
enough. Sad thing was I traded in my tobacco sunburst Gibson Les Paul for
the 360.
Oh the bad decisions we make.....
Yikes...you bought three of the stinkers?! ;-)


Cheers,

Andy.
Scott McDaniel
2006-02-25 09:44:06 UTC
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Post by Andy
FWIW, the worst guitar I've ever owned was a genuine Ric 620/12.
Looked great tho'
Andy.
I can believe that.
I used to own a ric 320 330 and 360 and I couldn't get rid of them fast
enough. Sad thing was I traded in my tobacco sunburst Gibson Les Paul for
the 360.
Oh the bad decisions we make.....
Yikes...you bought three of the stinkers?! ;-)
How very odd.

Every single one of my Rics has been exceptional in every way.
Sound, playability, fit, finish... all have been better than any other stick
I've slapped.
(I do have to admit that when my 5 string arrived the B string was not
perfectly intonated)
It sucks that you guys have had such a bad experience with your Rics.
My main bass, a 1982 4001, has been through the gates of Hell, down seven
levels, and conquered the demon lord Ithfidget with me.
But, that's just a typical day.

What has your plywood done for you recently?
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Sir Scott "I joke, of course; it was 12 levels ... " McDaniel
Andy
2006-02-25 10:18:26 UTC
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Post by Scott McDaniel
Post by Andy
FWIW, the worst guitar I've ever owned was a genuine Ric 620/12.
Looked great tho'
Andy.
I can believe that.
I used to own a ric 320 330 and 360 and I couldn't get rid of them fast
enough. Sad thing was I traded in my tobacco sunburst Gibson Les Paul for
the 360.
Oh the bad decisions we make.....
Yikes...you bought three of the stinkers?! ;-)
How very odd.
Every single one of my Rics has been exceptional in every way.
Sound, playability, fit, finish... all have been better than any other stick
I've slapped.
(I do have to admit that when my 5 string arrived the B string was not
perfectly intonated)
It sucks that you guys have had such a bad experience with your Rics.
My main bass, a 1982 4001, has been through the gates of Hell, down seven
levels, and conquered the demon lord Ithfidget with me.
But, that's just a typical day.
What has your plywood done for you recently?
Plywood?

It has:

Stayed in tune *

Intonated properly *

Sounded good at gig levels *

Remained in one piece after landing in a drumkit after bouncing off the
back wall

and the finish on the upper bout hasn't worn through after only a year
of playing *


* Things that just didn't happen with my particular Ric.


Never again!
Andy.
Lee Waun
2006-02-25 18:03:36 UTC
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Post by Andy
Post by Scott McDaniel
Post by Andy
FWIW, the worst guitar I've ever owned was a genuine Ric 620/12.
Looked great tho'
Andy.
I can believe that.
I used to own a ric 320 330 and 360 and I couldn't get rid of them fast
enough. Sad thing was I traded in my tobacco sunburst Gibson Les Paul
for the 360.
Oh the bad decisions we make.....
Yikes...you bought three of the stinkers?! ;-)
How very odd.
Every single one of my Rics has been exceptional in every way.
Sound, playability, fit, finish... all have been better than any other
stick I've slapped.
(I do have to admit that when my 5 string arrived the B string was not
perfectly intonated)
It sucks that you guys have had such a bad experience with your Rics.
My main bass, a 1982 4001, has been through the gates of Hell, down seven
levels, and conquered the demon lord Ithfidget with me.
But, that's just a typical day.
What has your plywood done for you recently?
Plywood?
Stayed in tune *
Intonated properly *
Sounded good at gig levels *
Remained in one piece after landing in a drumkit after bouncing off the
back wall
and the finish on the upper bout hasn't worn through after only a year of
playing *
* Things that just didn't happen with my particular Ric.
Never again!
Andy.
Ah that was good.

My rics where just plain unplayable. why do they have to laquer the
fretboard the way they do. I just hate the feel of that.
Rod
2006-02-26 01:35:23 UTC
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Post by Lee Waun
Ah that was good.
My rics where just plain unplayable. why do they have to laquer the
fretboard the way they do. I just hate the feel of that.
I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but when I buy a bass, I look for stuff
like that. I like them just *for* that reason ( I have the Geddy Jazz as
well). I would have thought a bad *feel* from a fretboard would have
pre-empted the purchase in the first place.
Scott McDaniel
2006-02-25 18:18:27 UTC
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Post by Andy
Post by Scott McDaniel
What has your plywood done for you recently?
Plywood?
Stayed in tune *
Intonated properly *
Sounded good at gig levels *
Remained in one piece after landing in a drumkit after bouncing off the
back wall
and the finish on the upper bout hasn't worn through after only a year of
playing *
* Things that just didn't happen with my particular Ric.
Never again!
Well, that's a bummer (also for the guitar that had to touch a drumkit!).

The one that seems unique to you is the finish problem. That is to say, I
have heard others complain of their RIC guitars having tuning and intonation
problems, I've heard plenty of people who just didn't like RIC guitars'
sounds, but I don't think I've heard your particular problem with the
finish.

Where exactly is the rub out? By the straplock? Along the front edge?
Andy
2006-02-26 03:01:26 UTC
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Post by Scott McDaniel
Post by Andy
Post by Scott McDaniel
What has your plywood done for you recently?
Plywood?
Stayed in tune *
Intonated properly *
Sounded good at gig levels *
Remained in one piece after landing in a drumkit after bouncing off the
back wall
and the finish on the upper bout hasn't worn through after only a year of
playing *
* Things that just didn't happen with my particular Ric.
Never again!
Well, that's a bummer (also for the guitar that had to touch a drumkit!).
The one that seems unique to you is the finish problem. That is to say, I
have heard others complain of their RIC guitars having tuning and intonation
problems, I've heard plenty of people who just didn't like RIC guitars'
sounds, but I don't think I've heard your particular problem with the
finish.
Where exactly is the rub out? By the straplock? Along the front edge?
Sorry. I just realised I probably didn't mean "upper bout" (posting
late at night I got confused.) The area where the finish wear was a
problem was where my right forearm came down across the top of the body.

Andy.
Scott McDaniel
2006-02-26 21:54:49 UTC
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Post by Scott McDaniel
Where exactly is the rub out? By the straplock? Along the front edge?
Sorry. I just realised I probably didn't mean "upper bout" (posting late
at night I got confused.) The area where the finish wear was a problem
was where my right forearm came down across the top of the body.
Now that is even more strange!
I have 4 RICS and the only one with any finish problems is an 82 4001.
Of course, it has gigged around the world about 5 million times; the paint
problems are more from damage than bad finish.

BTW, do we all seem like "Brand-Name Snobs" now?
Andy
2006-02-27 06:50:17 UTC
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Post by Scott McDaniel
Post by Scott McDaniel
Where exactly is the rub out? By the straplock? Along the front edge?
Sorry. I just realised I probably didn't mean "upper bout" (posting late
at night I got confused.) The area where the finish wear was a problem
was where my right forearm came down across the top of the body.
Now that is even more strange!
I have 4 RICS and the only one with any finish problems is an 82 4001.
Of course, it has gigged around the world about 5 million times; the paint
problems are more from damage than bad finish.
BTW, do we all seem like "Brand-Name Snobs" now?
Don't know if that's aimed at me or not. I didn't start (or title) the
thread.

Andy.
Scott McDaniel
2006-02-27 19:17:28 UTC
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Post by Andy
Post by Scott McDaniel
Post by Scott McDaniel
Where exactly is the rub out? By the straplock? Along the front edge?
Sorry. I just realised I probably didn't mean "upper bout" (posting late
at night I got confused.) The area where the finish wear was a problem
was where my right forearm came down across the top of the body.
Now that is even more strange!
I have 4 RICS and the only one with any finish problems is an 82 4001.
Of course, it has gigged around the world about 5 million times; the
paint problems are more from damage than bad finish.
BTW, do we all seem like "Brand-Name Snobs" now?
Don't know if that's aimed at me or not. I didn't start (or title) the
thread.
No, no. That was meant for the original poster.
housemouse
2006-02-25 15:06:00 UTC
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Post by Scott McDaniel
How very odd.
Every single one of my Rics has been exceptional in every way.
Sound, playability, fit, finish... all have been better than any other stick
I've slapped.
(I do have to admit that when my 5 string arrived the B string was not
perfectly intonated)
It sucks that you guys have had such a bad experience with your Rics.
My main bass, a 1982 4001, has been through the gates of Hell, down seven
levels, and conquered the demon lord Ithfidget with me.
But, that's just a typical day.
Dealing with Ithfidget can be a real pain.

Personaly, I have found Ric basses to be very solid, and very high
quality. I've never had a problem with a Ric bass, other than that
pickup cover getting in the way. They have the bass building thing down
pretty well, I think. Guitars, I don't know about - they only Ric
guitars that appealed to me was the 650 series...
no_name
2006-02-28 04:02:03 UTC
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Post by Scott McDaniel
It sucks that you guys have had such a bad experience with your Rics.
Wasn't the Rics that sucked.
Lee Waun
2006-02-28 06:08:39 UTC
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Post by no_name
Post by Scott McDaniel
It sucks that you guys have had such a bad experience with your Rics.
Wasn't the Rics that sucked.
Actually it was the Rics that sucked.
Andy
2006-02-28 11:44:25 UTC
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Post by Lee Waun
Post by no_name
Post by Scott McDaniel
It sucks that you guys have had such a bad experience with your Rics.
Wasn't the Rics that sucked.
Actually it was the Rics that sucked.
Agreed. My $100 parts-o-caster (brand name snob?) stays in tune. My
Rickenbacker didn't.

Andy.
Andy
2006-02-28 11:41:28 UTC
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Post by no_name
Post by Scott McDaniel
It sucks that you guys have had such a bad experience with your Rics.
Wasn't the Rics that sucked.
Jackass. You might disagree if you'd played the (shit) guitar in
question. A $2000 guitar should stay in tune and intonate properly.

Luckily I traded the thing before the (in)famous "R" tailpiece snapped
(like a lot of the others did) and left me in the shit, with *zero*
customer support from those assholes at Rickenbacker.

Andy.
no_name
2006-02-28 23:32:14 UTC
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Post by Andy
Post by no_name
Post by Scott McDaniel
It sucks that you guys have had such a bad experience with your Rics.
Wasn't the Rics that sucked.
Jackass. You might disagree if you'd played the (shit) guitar in
question. A $2000 guitar should stay in tune and intonate properly.
Luckily I traded the thing before the (in)famous "R" tailpiece snapped
(like a lot of the others did) and left me in the shit, with *zero*
customer support from those assholes at Rickenbacker.
Andy.
FOAD.

I got my first Ric in 1968; still have it.
Keith Adams
2006-02-27 06:55:34 UTC
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I dont think a Ric is for everyone. People either love them or hate
them with no in between. I should hope that they could build a decent
bass. They've been at it long enough and theres not much to a 4 string
solidbody bass guitar.
FWIW, the worst guitar I've ever owned was a genuine Ric 620/12.
Looked great tho'
Andy.
I can believe that.
I used to own a ric 320 330 and 360 and I couldn't get rid of them fast
enough. Sad thing was I traded in my tobacco sunburst Gibson Les Paul for
the 360.
Oh the bad decisions we make.....
Yikes...you bought three of the stinkers?! ;-)


Cheers,

Andy.
no_name
2006-02-28 04:01:16 UTC
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FWIW, the worst guitar I've ever owned was a genuine Ric 620/12.
Looked great tho'
Andy.
I can believe that.
I used to own a ric 320 330 and 360 and I couldn't get rid of them
fast enough. Sad thing was I traded in my tobacco sunburst Gibson Les
Paul for the 360.
Oh the bad decisions we make.....
Interesting that you lament trading a "tobacco sunburst Gibson Les Paul"
in a post deriding "Brand-Name Snobs".
Lee Waun
2006-02-28 06:08:16 UTC
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Post by no_name
FWIW, the worst guitar I've ever owned was a genuine Ric 620/12.
Looked great tho'
Andy.
I can believe that.
I used to own a ric 320 330 and 360 and I couldn't get rid of them fast
enough. Sad thing was I traded in my tobacco sunburst Gibson Les Paul
for the 360.
Oh the bad decisions we make.....
Interesting that you lament trading a "tobacco sunburst Gibson Les Paul"
in a post deriding "Brand-Name Snobs".
i like Fenders and I like Gibsons. Am buying a Korean Fender Tele on Weds.
Yard Dog Via Google
2006-02-28 12:49:14 UTC
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I don't think that's what the op was saying. I think what he was saying
is that the big 3 are overrated. To which I agree because I have
experienced it ten fold! I am not saying that ALL Gibsons and ALL
Fenders are crap because I know they make some excellent instruments.
They also make some very very poor instruments and they charge good
money for those too. I was not singling out ALL who own those brands
because like I said I have a couple of strats myself. I was/am/will
always single out the "douchebags".

Yard Dogs definition of a "douchebag": One who claims that there is no
possible way your'e $150.00 (Insert brand here) electrtic can
play/sound/look as good as my $3,000 guitar. Also to me a "douchebag"
is the guy/gal/thing that has to brag about their $50,000 rig
incessantly.

I came across a little rough because I was pissed and like I said sick
of reading these so called experts that say "you get what you pay for".
Not any more my friends. As one poster said a while back in a thread
this is the golden age of guitar and it's a beautiful thing!
Scott McDaniel
2006-02-28 18:53:23 UTC
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Post by Yard Dog Via Google
I came across a little rough because I was pissed and like I said sick
of reading these so called experts that say "you get what you pay for".
Not any more my friends. As one poster said a while back in a thread
this is the golden age of guitar and it's a beautiful thing!
Now this I can totally agree with.
While I put my RICs at the top of the heap, because they perform as I want
them to, I also have some very nice cheap basses and guitars. For example; I
have 2 Hamer "slammer" basses. Paid about $100 American for each, brand new.
Incredible basses. Not just incredible "for the price", but just darn good
basses. My Epiphone Thunderbird, Blem, is another excellent bass that cost
me $250.Great instruments are now here at very reasonable prices.
It is the golden age for all instruments.
no_name
2006-02-28 23:34:21 UTC
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Post by Scott McDaniel
Post by Yard Dog Via Google
I came across a little rough because I was pissed and like I said sick
of reading these so called experts that say "you get what you pay for".
Not any more my friends. As one poster said a while back in a thread
this is the golden age of guitar and it's a beautiful thing!
Now this I can totally agree with.
While I put my RICs at the top of the heap, because they perform as I want
them to, I also have some very nice cheap basses and guitars. For example; I
have 2 Hamer "slammer" basses. Paid about $100 American for each, brand new.
Incredible basses. Not just incredible "for the price", but just darn good
basses. My Epiphone Thunderbird, Blem, is another excellent bass that cost
me $250.Great instruments are now here at very reasonable prices.
It is the golden age for all instruments.
If you don't get what you pay for, you're a fool for paying it. I pay
for quality. I make damn sure I get quality when I pay for it.
Cornelia Schneider
2006-03-01 10:44:03 UTC
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On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:53:23 -0800, "Scott McDaniel"
Post by Scott McDaniel
It is the golden age for all instruments.
Go tell this the guys over at alt.music.hammond-organ. They're having a
beef with Hammond's retail prices, and they're right...

Cornelia
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Scott McDaniel
2006-03-01 18:48:39 UTC
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Post by Cornelia Schneider
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:53:23 -0800, "Scott McDaniel"
Post by Scott McDaniel
It is the golden age for all instruments.
Go tell this the guys over at alt.music.hammond-organ. They're having a
beef with Hammond's retail prices, and they're right...
Why would anyone buy an organ in this day and age?
Cornelia Schneider
2006-03-01 23:52:07 UTC
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Post by Scott McDaniel
Why would anyone buy an organ in this day and age?
Maybe for the same reason people still buy Ric 330s and 360s? :o)
Seriously: Because a lot of folks, even young ones, play organ and love
that sound, believe me.

Cornelia
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Scott McDaniel
2006-03-02 00:31:01 UTC
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Post by Cornelia Schneider
Post by Scott McDaniel
Why would anyone buy an organ in this day and age?
Maybe for the same reason people still buy Ric 330s and 360s? :o)
Seriously: Because a lot of folks, even young ones, play organ and love
that sound, believe me.
But... I can get the same sound, more consistently with a $200 Yamaha
synthesizer...

Do you see the irony yet?
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Cornelia Schneider
2006-03-02 02:26:27 UTC
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Post by Scott McDaniel
But... I can get the same sound, more consistently with a $200 Yamaha
synthesizer...
Do you see the irony yet?
Sure I do. But better don't post that on the Hammond group :-)

Cornelia
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Scott McDaniel
2006-03-02 03:25:53 UTC
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Post by Cornelia Schneider
Post by Scott McDaniel
But... I can get the same sound, more consistently with a $200 Yamaha
synthesizer...
Do you see the irony yet?
Sure I do. But better don't post that on the Hammond group :-)
Ha!
Thanks for the tip!
Patrick Covert
2006-03-02 12:43:16 UTC
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Post by Scott McDaniel
Post by Cornelia Schneider
Post by Scott McDaniel
Why would anyone buy an organ in this day and age?
Maybe for the same reason people still buy Ric 330s and 360s? :o)
Seriously: Because a lot of folks, even young ones, play organ and love
that sound, believe me.
But... I can get the same sound, more consistently with a $200 Yamaha
synthesizer...
Do you see the irony yet?
Nope, no irony spotted. I do see someone that doesn't really hear tone
very well. Your Yamaha may do a pretty decent version of small
transistor organs (farcheeza preset on the TX81z) but it won't do very
well sounding like a Hammond, let alone a tube hammond through a Leslie.

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Scott McDaniel
2006-03-02 21:56:05 UTC
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Post by Patrick Covert
Post by Scott McDaniel
On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 10:48:39 -0800, "Scott McDaniel"
Post by Scott McDaniel
Why would anyone buy an organ in this day and age?
Maybe for the same reason people still buy Ric 330s and 360s? :o)
Seriously: Because a lot of folks, even young ones, play organ and love
that sound, believe me.
But... I can get the same sound, more consistently with a $200 Yamaha
synthesizer...
Do you see the irony yet?
Nope, no irony spotted. I do see someone that doesn't really hear tone
very well. Your Yamaha may do a pretty decent version of small
transistor organs (farcheeza preset on the TX81z) but it won't do very
well sounding like a Hammond, let alone a tube hammond through a Leslie.
Well, allow me to retort.

What I wrote was an ironic statement, tinged, of course, with sarcasm.

The "joke" that you seemed to miss, was that the warmth of a real organ has
not yet been accurately reproduced by synthesis. A "joke", if you will allow
me the indulgence, that Cornelia seemed to grasp quite readily.

But, I must apologize, I forgot that I'm writing to a clueless sack of
taint.
Were any of the words too big for you this time, Rain Man?
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Patrick Covert
2006-03-03 14:16:36 UTC
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Post by Scott McDaniel
Well, allow me to retort.
Certainly, it's an open forum.
Post by Scott McDaniel
What I wrote was an ironic statement, tinged, of course, with sarcasm.
So you say. Irony, is usually a subtle thing, and often gets lost in
the written word. It even more easily gets lost in the telegraphic
brevity that is the norm on usenet.
Post by Scott McDaniel
The "joke" that you seemed to miss, was that the warmth of a real organ has
not yet been accurately reproduced by synthesis.
Sadly, it's a joke that many do not get, in the sense that they think
the presets that supposdly sound like a Hammond, actually do sound like
a Hammond.
Post by Scott McDaniel
A "joke", if you will allow
me the indulgence, that Cornelia seemed to grasp quite readily.
She may know you, or your style of discourse better than I do.
Post by Scott McDaniel
But, I must apologize, I forgot that I'm writing to a clueless sack of
taint.
Were any of the words too big for you this time, Rain Man?
We were doing so well, up to this point. Look up ad hominen in a
dictionary.

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Scott McDaniel
2006-03-03 19:44:10 UTC
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Post by Patrick Covert
Post by Scott McDaniel
Well, allow me to retort.
Certainly, it's an open forum.
Post by Scott McDaniel
What I wrote was an ironic statement, tinged, of course, with sarcasm.
So you say. Irony, is usually a subtle thing, and often gets lost in
the written word. It even more easily gets lost in the telegraphic
brevity that is the norm on usenet.
Post by Scott McDaniel
The "joke" that you seemed to miss, was that the warmth of a real organ has
not yet been accurately reproduced by synthesis.
Sadly, it's a joke that many do not get, in the sense that they think
the presets that supposdly sound like a Hammond, actually do sound like
a Hammond.
Post by Scott McDaniel
A "joke", if you will allow
me the indulgence, that Cornelia seemed to grasp quite readily.
She may know you, or your style of discourse better than I do.
Post by Scott McDaniel
But, I must apologize, I forgot that I'm writing to a clueless sack of
taint.
Were any of the words too big for you this time, Rain Man?
We were doing so well, up to this point. Look up ad hominen in a
dictionary.
I did. And what do you know? There was your picture!
See your previous post about me not being able to hear tone.

Tit for Tat, Fucktard.

Next.
no_name
2006-03-02 01:52:24 UTC
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Post by Scott McDaniel
Post by Cornelia Schneider
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:53:23 -0800, "Scott McDaniel"
Post by Scott McDaniel
It is the golden age for all instruments.
Go tell this the guys over at alt.music.hammond-organ. They're having a
beef with Hammond's retail prices, and they're right...
Why would anyone buy an organ in this day and age?
'cause they like the sound?
Keith Adams
2006-03-01 01:56:22 UTC
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Yes you can buy good guitars for a little amount of money. It makes it
hard on the guys who build handmade guitars to. If you add up all the
time for labor theres no way you're gonna get that much money out of
one these days. When you can buy a very good guitar for $300 its hard
to spend $2500 on one that may be prettier but doesnt sound or play any
better. Rics are outta site guitars but their customer service and
playability from guitar to guitar can leave alot to be desired. They
absolutely wont sell you a tailpiece unless you give them half of the
old one. What bullshit.
FWIW, the worst guitar I've ever owned was a genuine Ric 620/12.
Looked great tho'
Andy.
I can believe that.
I used to own a ric 320 330 and 360 and I couldn't get rid of them fast
enough. Sad thing was I traded in my tobacco sunburst Gibson Les Paul for
the 360.
Oh the bad decisions we make.....
Yikes...you bought three of the stinkers?! ;-)


Cheers,

Andy.
a***@yahoo.com
2006-03-02 20:01:17 UTC
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I have a $5,000 hand made Zeidler, a Martin acoustic, a parts Fender
Strat, a 73, 4003 RIC bass and a Turser Beatle bass I got new when they
were around $250 bucks.

To me they all play equally well, and I get out of them everthing that
I want.

You just have to research, play them before buying them, which means
NEVER NEVER buy one by ordering from the manufacturer.

I can pick up three different, same model rics at the dealer and each
one can be more correctly intoned than the other, have a different
action and a different althogether sound. That's the price you pay
for their manufacturing process.
Da Kine
2006-03-03 01:58:03 UTC
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I went into the San Marcos guitar center and tried out 25 fender tele's
and out of all of them, the 3 best were Mexican built! I bought a
Mexican for a lot less then the American.

I have 4 les pauls from epiphone. They are all the higher end but still
they were only about $500 or so. My bother in law has a $3000 "real"
les paul and I put his to a real live blind fold test where I messed
with the amp so that he couldn't tell from pickups which was which. You
already know the result of the test but the long run was that he sold
the thing and bought one like mine.

Electric guitars are a plank with a pickup. There is more to them but
not much. On the other hand, acoustic guitars are all about the wood
and who made it. As for Taylor and other machine made guitars they are
easy to find a good one but for the few hand built ones there is still
reason to spend cash. I try to save cash and never buy anything because
of name value (which to me is no value) I still have some expensive
guitars like an HD28 but its rare that I will spend that much for
anything when there are guitar makers like turser, dean, and others
that are great for super low cost.
Guncho
2006-03-04 15:19:00 UTC
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Post by Da Kine
I went into the San Marcos guitar center and tried out 25 fender tele's
and out of all of them, the 3 best were Mexican built! I bought a
Mexican for a lot less then the American.
I have 4 les pauls from epiphone. They are all the higher end but still
they were only about $500 or so. My bother in law has a $3000 "real"
les paul and I put his to a real live blind fold test where I messed
with the amp so that he couldn't tell from pickups which was which. You
already know the result of the test but the long run was that he sold
the thing and bought one like mine.
Electric guitars are a plank with a pickup. There is more to them but
not much. On the other hand, acoustic guitars are all about the wood
and who made it. As for Taylor and other machine made guitars they are
easy to find a good one but for the few hand built ones there is still
reason to spend cash. I try to save cash and never buy anything because
of name value (which to me is no value) I still have some expensive
guitars like an HD28 but its rare that I will spend that much for
anything when there are guitar makers like turser, dean, and others
that are great for super low cost.
Then why don't you literally get a plank with a pickup?

Chris
Da Kine
2006-03-04 15:46:59 UTC
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because I'm rich and like pretty things that cost lots of money - just
not too much-

Dude, like the surf punks, like put a pickup in a skateboard - dude!


An electric guitar is mostly the pickup and much less anything else.
You know because you have one. I really hate it when people try to make
it something magical. The most important thing on an electric guitar is
the pickup, then the neck and lastly the tonewood. Make a hollow body
and the body makes more of a change in things.
Andy
2006-03-05 00:23:30 UTC
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Post by Da Kine
because I'm rich and like pretty things that cost lots of money - just
not too much-
Dude, like the surf punks, like put a pickup in a skateboard - dude!
An electric guitar is mostly the pickup and much less anything else.
You know because you have one. I really hate it when people try to make
it something magical. The most important thing on an electric guitar is
the pickup, then the neck and lastly the tonewood. Make a hollow body
and the body makes more of a change in things.
I think an interesting experiment would be to get say, a Gibson SG.
Replace the neck and convert to a 25.5" scale like a Fender. Remove the
humbucking pickups and put in a pair of real Tele single coils. Convert
the bridge to a Fender string-thru-body type.

Bet it'd sound like a Tele.

Cheers,
Andy.
Da Kine
2006-03-05 02:04:06 UTC
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I'm sure it would. I took a les paul body/neck (copy of a les paul) and
put in some old strat pickups and guess what it sounds like :-)
Scott McDaniel
2006-03-05 04:49:02 UTC
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Post by Da Kine
I'm sure it would. I took a les paul body/neck (copy of a les paul) and
put in some old strat pickups and guess what it sounds like :-)
Okay, I'll bite...

A fat strat?
Whatever it sounds like, I'll bet it's bad ass.
Good job Kiney.
Da Kine
2006-03-05 05:24:54 UTC
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it sounded pretty much like my other strats with a little darker tone -
its all pickups baby :-)
Sean
2006-03-05 10:45:14 UTC
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On 3/4/06 9:24 PM, in article
Post by Da Kine
it sounded pretty much like my other strats with a little darker tone -
its all pickups baby :-)
Sure. But I have a Les Paul Deluxe Reissue or something the hell like that:
a quality Les Paul anyway. The reason I don't type the name with total
conviction is because it's a guitar that I seldom play... It lives in its
case too much of the time. But the reason it does is another Gibson: an ES
335 that is my fated electric guitar, my soul mate, my ally.
Both have Gibson humbuckers of some variety or other. How come they are
almost as different from each other as either of them are from their cousin
Tele that lives in the closet? (Only to be brought out when it's open G
slide time?)
housemouse
2006-03-05 10:52:48 UTC
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Post by Sean
On 3/4/06 9:24 PM, in article
Post by Da Kine
it sounded pretty much like my other strats with a little darker tone -
its all pickups baby :-)
a quality Les Paul anyway. The reason I don't type the name with total
conviction is because it's a guitar that I seldom play... It lives in its
case too much of the time. But the reason it does is another Gibson: an ES
335 that is my fated electric guitar, my soul mate, my ally.
Both have Gibson humbuckers of some variety or other. How come they are
almost as different from each other as either of them are from their cousin
Tele that lives in the closet? (Only to be brought out when it's open G
slide time?)
Do your ES335 and LP have the same model Gibson humbuckers?

There is some difference in the way a solidbody and hollowbody sound,
add
different pickups into the mix, and no surprise that these 2 guitars
sound different.
Nil
2006-03-05 14:25:58 UTC
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Post by housemouse
There is some difference in the way a solidbody and hollowbody
sound, add different pickups into the mix, and no surprise that
these 2 guitars sound different.
A Gibson ES-335 is not a hollowbody guitar. It's a solid-body guitar
with cosmetic hollow wings attached.
Da Kine
2006-03-05 15:44:46 UTC
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I have 2 es335's and they are both semi hollow body gutiars! I think
you need to look into that f hole and see the space in there. That
little space gives it it's own tone.
Nil
2006-03-05 16:59:51 UTC
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Post by Da Kine
I have 2 es335's and they are both semi hollow body gutiars!
Hello, that's what I said.
Sean
2006-03-05 21:13:25 UTC
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On 3/5/06 2:52 AM, in article
Post by housemouse
Post by Sean
On 3/4/06 9:24 PM, in article
Post by Da Kine
it sounded pretty much like my other strats with a little darker tone -
its all pickups baby :-)
a quality Les Paul anyway. The reason I don't type the name with total
conviction is because it's a guitar that I seldom play... It lives in its
case too much of the time. But the reason it does is another Gibson: an ES
335 that is my fated electric guitar, my soul mate, my ally.
Both have Gibson humbuckers of some variety or other. How come they are
almost as different from each other as either of them are from their cousin
Tele that lives in the closet? (Only to be brought out when it's open G
slide time?)
Do your ES335 and LP have the same model Gibson humbuckers?
No.
Post by housemouse
There is some difference in the way a solidbody and hollowbody sound,
add
different pickups into the mix, and no surprise that these 2 guitars
sound different.
Oh, I see. So it's not "all pickups, baby"?
Da Kine
2006-03-05 22:33:10 UTC
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First, If a guitar is hollow or semi hollow it has acoustic properties
that take it out of the pickup arguement -

Second, Solid body electric guitars have some change but not much - its
the pickups -

Third, And anyone saying I am wrong can kiss my hinie :~)

Lastly, I'm still going to own a bunch of electrics on account of they
look so cool and everyone else wants what I've got!!!

Actually, what I cool guitar it would be to have an electric that you
could quickly change out the pickups like a james bond license plate.
Now we're talking baby! Think how cool that would be.......
David Eastwood
2006-03-05 23:17:36 UTC
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Post by Da Kine
Actually, what I cool guitar it would be to have an electric that you
could quickly change out the pickups like a james bond license plate.
Now we're talking baby! Think how cool that would be.......
It's been done before - the first time I ever saw it was John Birch in
the UK in the late '70s, and the most recent was Mercurio (with
several in between) - but they went out of business last year before
they ever really got going. Beautifully made solid bodies with
interchangeable pickups, and a cool buffering/switching system that
let you compensate for different output levels. The pickups were
modular - mounted in 'pods' that rear-loaded into a frame, which in
turn could be completely removed from the guitar. They were really
expensive though - $2500 and up.
------------------------------------------------------
David Eastwood - ***@gmail.com
Karl
2006-03-06 03:30:14 UTC
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Post by Da Kine
Actually, what I cool guitar it would be to have an electric that you
could quickly change out the pickups like a james bond license plate.
Now we're talking baby! Think how cool that would be.......
It's called a coil tap switch. And I have a few guitars with them. But
nobody calls me cool ... :-(
Da Kine
2006-03-06 04:56:13 UTC
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you mean you can pop pickups in and out? Teach me - lead me master :-)
b***@yahoo.com
2006-03-06 20:43:16 UTC
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Dan Armstrong already did this....with replaceable pickups that you
could slide in and out.(without restring of course)
Da Kine
2006-03-06 21:55:02 UTC
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I gotta gem me one. Where do I go?
Keith Adams
2006-03-10 21:14:10 UTC
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That type of guitar is already being built and its a stupid fuc$ing
idea. The guitar basically sounds the same regardless of the pickup
used. You talk out your ass da kine.

"Da Kine" <***@netscape.net> wrote in message news:***@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
First, If a guitar is hollow or semi hollow it has acoustic properties
that take it out of the pickup arguement -

Second, Solid body electric guitars have some change but not much - its
the pickups -

Third, And anyone saying I am wrong can kiss my hinie :~)

Lastly, I'm still going to own a bunch of electrics on account of they
look so cool and everyone else wants what I've got!!!

Actually, what I cool guitar it would be to have an electric that you
could quickly change out the pickups like a james bond license plate.
Now we're talking baby! Think how cool that would be.......
Da Kine
2006-03-11 03:16:43 UTC
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Hey dopie, you're not that smart and you are wrong
Da Kine
2006-03-05 15:42:30 UTC
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I can't tell you why they are different but I wouldgues that they have
different pickups. Your ES335 is a semi hollow body so it will never
sound like a normal electric. It actually has sound on its own.

I was saying that to my ears, most electric guitars are the pickup that
is in them. I'm not an expert on electric guitars by any means but I do
know that I follow my ears. I have 4 les pauls and all four sound
completely different because all 4 have different pickups. Other then
the pickups, they are all just about the same other then color. I have
one that I put strat puckups in and it sounds like my starts.

You can get longer sustain with harder woods and you can change tone
too but most of the sound of an electric is the pickup. What is
important about a pickup is the way the neck feels. I play acoustic
more then anything and I have around 27 of them. They are all their own
guitar. My Martin HD28, with the strings set the same as my alvarez
guitars or all my others for that mater, has by far the most stiff feel
to it. The same strings and the same setup and it feels completely
different.

I've never been able to figure that out but I can only guess it is the
way the neck feels - if I am wrong, let me know:-)
wblakesx
2006-03-05 19:18:42 UTC
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I have 3 strat copies, each sounds diff. I put a bc rich neck on a
hondo strat, plugged it into a a Sunn concert Bass w/ a '50's Jensen,
chimes, twangs and plucky.It's not at all the tone I would have loked
for but it's best sounding setup since maybe a Burns. Really
outstanding. I have a $25 Palmer strat I wouoldn't take $250 for,
plywood body and all.
Da Kine
2006-03-05 20:59:11 UTC
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just a trivia thought here -
I met Don Sunholm (sp?) back in 1994. We had both sailed our boats to
Cabo San Lucas and met somewhere along the line. Don was the bass
player for the band The Kingsmen that had the hit Louie Louie. That was
about the only thing they had so he started making speaker cabs and
called his company Sunn. He sold the company but that is where the Sunn
amps came from. - I always like to know dumbass stuff like that :-)
Keith Adams
2006-03-06 10:28:58 UTC
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Da Kine. You're as full of shit as a Christmas goose. I bet you've
bought your way out of alot of ass kickings huh?

"Da Kine" <***@netscape.net> wrote in message news:***@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
just a trivia thought here -
I met Don Sunholm (sp?) back in 1994. We had both sailed our boats to
Cabo San Lucas and met somewhere along the line. Don was the bass
player for the band The Kingsmen that had the hit Louie Louie. That was
about the only thing they had so he started making speaker cabs and
called his company Sunn. He sold the company but that is where the Sunn
amps came from. - I always like to know dumbass stuff like that :-)
Da Kine
2006-03-06 17:42:51 UTC
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What the hell are you talking about? Full of it for what? I don't
have a single clue what you are referring too!
Da Kine
2006-03-06 17:52:45 UTC
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If you are referring to the sunn amps, its true. I sailed my boat to
Miami from Marina Del Rey, CA and he sailed to the golf of california
from the same place. I met him on the way down and got to know him. He
was on a small boat (28-30 feet) called china girl. Is that a big deal
to you or something ?
Scott McDaniel
2006-03-10 07:52:25 UTC
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Post by Da Kine
If you are referring to the sunn amps, its true. I sailed my boat to
Miami from Marina Del Rey, CA and he sailed to the golf of california
from the same place. I met him on the way down and got to know him. He
was on a small boat (28-30 feet) called china girl. Is that a big deal
to you or something ?
Well... I have to admit, it's a big deal to me!
My little boat is only 22 (!) foot. So when I see someone with a 30 footer
my dick gets hard.
The big difference, of course, is that I have a fresh water boat.
A pontoon boat.
A V-8 EFI pontoon boat.
A 60 MPH pontoon boat.

Yeah, I'm braggin'.
But who wouldn't?

BTW: Thanks for the "SUNN" story.
I had no idea that the "Louie..." guy had founded that company.

Kiney, you have GOT to stick around here.
--
Sir Scott "OP: What were we talking about...? " McDaniel
Lucky
2006-03-10 07:59:06 UTC
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Post by Scott McDaniel
My little boat is only 22 (!) foot. So when I see someone with a 30 footer
my dick gets hard.
The big difference, of course, is that I have a fresh water boat.
A pontoon boat.
A V-8 EFI pontoon boat.
A 60 MPH pontoon boat.
Yeah, I'm braggin'.
But who wouldn't?
Listening tip:

'The Good Times' by Black Helicopter. Song about a 28 footer....
http://traktor7.com/mp3s.htm#blackhelicopter
Da Kine
2006-03-10 17:43:12 UTC
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60MPH ? !!!!! That's a bit fast on toons isn't it? I think I can go a
little slower and make it there in one piece :-)

Name's Danny by the way. I just avoid the spam thing the best I can.

Where do you keep your boat?
Scott McDaniel
2006-03-10 20:37:57 UTC
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Post by Da Kine
60MPH ? !!!!! That's a bit fast on toons isn't it? I think I can go a
little slower and make it there in one piece :-)
Nah... Once in a while you have to stun the heck out of the wake boarding
guys.
Post by Da Kine
Name's Danny by the way. I just avoid the spam thing the best I can.
Where do you keep your boat?
Half of the year it's at my house, the other half I keep it stored down at
"The River" (Colorado river).
It's about a 4 hour drive from here, 5 hours when I'm towing ;>
Keith Adams
2006-03-10 21:24:10 UTC
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That doesnt surprise me any. Keep on replying though. After you're done
digging the hole drag the dirt back in on top of yourself.

"Da Kine" <***@netscape.net> wrote in message news:***@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
What the hell are you talking about? Full of it for what? I don't
have a single clue what you are referring too!
Da Kine
2006-03-11 03:26:43 UTC
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Keith, if you want to act like a prissie little girl go ahead. if you
want a resume that you could only dream of then leave an email address
and I will let you have a little of it. You're one of those people that
piss real people off a lot. I have been on vacation for the past 3
years and I am still on it. I'm heading back to my boat in florida to
go over to the Bahamas for 2 months before heading up to new york and
then out to burmuda. I'm 43 and have spent 12 of my adult years on
vacation. I did it ALL from music. When you grow up and get smart,
maybe you'll think twice about pissing off people that could really
have been a friend to you. Instead, you'll probably only play covers of
my songs in bars for the rest of your life.

Have fun
j***@crosstel.net
2006-03-11 06:41:28 UTC
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About this vacation... what's your story? I'm looking for personal
inspiration. It's a personal request from anonimty... but it's worth a
shot. I've been writing lyrics for the last five years, playing music for
the last eight. I've been going through a long stretch of nowhere and I've
dwindled down from hoping to be successful in music to merely wishing. Drop
me a line.
Da Kine
2006-03-11 08:58:20 UTC
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My story is long and has many starts. I don't want to drag out boring
details that don't apply to anyone but me but if you want to get a
basic idea I can do that. As for you, you need to define your idea of
success. For most musicians that play in bands and say they want
success, it is some form of stardom. For me, it was making more money
than I would in a day job and that is easy. I ended up making a lot
more but that is part hard work, part luck, part more hard work. The
song writing came as a gift and I never worked for it. Playing was fun
and I never worked for that either but dealing with details and keeping
things on schedule and level headed (as far as bands) is work.


I did everything I could get my hands on when I was young and was
playing t-40 stuff every weekend when I was 13. When I was 16, I
auditioned for a play as a singer and got a small part. The show was a
summer long deal at the shrine auditorium and had a lot of press
because there was some serious talent there. I wanted the part so I
could meet those talents. It worked and I was invited out to watch a
guy record a record at a really nice new studio. It was so new that the
piano player that was hired for the session couldn't find it (this
was way back before pagers and cell phones) The new studio wasn't
complete and I don't think the phones were in. When the piano player
didn't show the gig went to me. From there it was easy right up until
I stopped touring at age 23 and I quit for a year or so and hung out on
my boat.

I wanted to get into scoring. I had a bunch of tunes on a bunch of
records from a bunch of bands and just got tired of it. Scoring seemed
to be the right way to go. I took a job as a runner (gofor) for Orion
TV. Everyday for months they had me photocopying the next day's
scripts. Every day I took a copy of the scripts home with me and wrote
some appropriate music for titles and so on, recorded it fast and made
a stack of cassettes. The next day I'd deliver the scripts with my
cassettes to all the producers (29 of them) at Orion TV. After three
months someone actually listened to one and liked it, asked where I got
the tunes and was very impressed when I told him. He offered me the
musical coordinator role on a production he was doing. Orion TV went BK
and the producers scattered and then I had friends in many places which
multiplied my open doors. At the same time I started producing and from
there that was easy until I turned 30 and got tired of it and quit for
a while. I had already gotten lazy and spent most of my time flying
around in a little plane that I bought so walking away seemed right so
I quit for 5 years and went sailing.

When I came back from sailing I was still working my publishing company
and writing music - that never stops, so I just continued on there. I
got sick of working again, had a son and just hung out with him most of
the time until my daughter was born about 3 years ago. I was in
California and was sick of it so I moved back onto my sailboat and went
sailing again. I take time off the boat for things like sanity. It's
hard with two kids on board a small boat so I rent vacation rentals for
a few months at a time and see America. I am going to settle in soon
(by the end of summer) but I don't know where yet..... if you were
wondering.

Well that got long winded. Anyway, back to your success. You need to
define what that is. For me it is having more then I need when I need
it and freedom all the time. The most structured job I ever had was my
few months with orion tv. YUCK! I had to wear long pants everyday. That
is what I remember most about that time of life.

If you want to live free, then be your own boss, play small gigs and
get respect locally. Earn some money from music and write a lot of
songs. If you want to be famous you will give up all your freedom. That
part I didn't mention. There is nothing worse to me then having
people know who I am and having them watch me eat. Before you want to
start having people know who you are all the time, picture no privacy.
That is the reason I went to scoring. The summer before last I was in a
Las Vegas mall (a type of place I never go but I needed an aircard for
my powerbook) and 2 people remembered me and had to stop me and bug me.
We're talking more then 20 years passing and I still can't feel
comfortable in places like that. I really wasn't a big name either; I
just worked as their keyboard player and musical director. God help the
stars!

Good luck to you in whatever you do but be careful what you wish for
because you will likely get there some day.

Mick
2006-03-06 21:51:19 UTC
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Post by Da Kine
it sounded pretty much like my other strats with a little darker tone -
its all pickups baby :-)
Bull. I've put Strat pickups in a REAL Les Paul, and it sounded
like a Les Paul with weak pickups. I know better.
--
---Mikhael...
Nil
2006-03-06 22:26:25 UTC
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Post by Mick
Bull. I've put Strat pickups in a REAL Les Paul, and it sounded
like a Les Paul with weak pickups. I know better.
I believe you. My main guitar is a Shecter tele-with-humbuckers. It
doesn't sound like a Tele, but it still sounds noticeably Fender-like.
It sounds nothing like a Les Paul.

Putting Strat pickups on a heavy mahogony 24 3/4" scale set-neck guitar
is never going to sound like a Strat.
Da Kine
2006-03-07 02:53:43 UTC
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Bahumbug - You just had your amp the way you know it so it sounded like
your amp. If it sounded weak in any way it didn't sound like a LP,
right?

I never thought there was all that much tone change from gutiar to
guitar anyway. I have teles and LP's and strats, and 2 SG and they all
have a lot in common to start with. yes I can tell which is which but I
really do believe it is the pickups. There is a little bit of wood and
so on but come on, think about what you are hearing.

Maybe your ears are a lot more golden then mine but I do hear pickup
sound much more then anything else.

Anyway, not to say you are wrong because you hear what you hear but
that is what I hear.
Caustic
2006-03-08 00:30:05 UTC
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My friend bought a Telecaster with an ash body, mine has an alder
body, everything else was the same. His was woodier sounding,
with a more harsh mid-range, he ended up sending it back for
one in alder.
Post by Da Kine
Bahumbug - You just had your amp the way you know it so it sounded like
your amp. If it sounded weak in any way it didn't sound like a LP,
right?
I never thought there was all that much tone change from gutiar to
guitar anyway. I have teles and LP's and strats, and 2 SG and they all
have a lot in common to start with. yes I can tell which is which but I
really do believe it is the pickups. There is a little bit of wood and
so on but come on, think about what you are hearing.
Maybe your ears are a lot more golden then mine but I do hear pickup
sound much more then anything else.
Anyway, not to say you are wrong because you hear what you hear but
that is what I hear.
Keith Adams
2006-03-10 21:09:48 UTC
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You've obviously never built a guitar ? If you had then you'd know
thats its not all in the pickups baby. One third of an electric guitars
sound comes from the guitar its self. The remaining 2/3 comes from
whose playing the guitar and the amp its going through. The pickups IMO
only create 1/3 of the guitars stand alone sound so wheres that leave
em on the sound producing list?
"Da Kine" <***@netscape.net> wrote in message news:***@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
it sounded pretty much like my other strats with a little darker tone -
its all pickups baby :-)
asdfg
2006-03-08 05:12:53 UTC
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In the 90s I had a Jazzmaster and a Les Paul that both had identical
Lawrence L-500s and they sounded REAL different.
Post by Andy
Post by Da Kine
because I'm rich and like pretty things that cost lots of money - just
not too much-
Dude, like the surf punks, like put a pickup in a skateboard - dude!
An electric guitar is mostly the pickup and much less anything else.
You know because you have one. I really hate it when people try to make
it something magical. The most important thing on an electric guitar is
the pickup, then the neck and lastly the tonewood. Make a hollow body
and the body makes more of a change in things.
I think an interesting experiment would be to get say, a Gibson SG.
Replace the neck and convert to a 25.5" scale like a Fender. Remove the
humbucking pickups and put in a pair of real Tele single coils. Convert
the bridge to a Fender string-thru-body type.
Bet it'd sound like a Tele.
Cheers,
Andy.
Les Cargill
2006-03-08 05:45:35 UTC
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Post by asdfg
In the 90s I had a Jazzmaster and a Les Paul that both had identical
Lawrence L-500s and they sounded REAL different.
<snip>

So you gave up the Jazzmaster?

Why?

--
Les Cargill
Andy
2006-03-08 07:51:06 UTC
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Post by asdfg
In the 90s I had a Jazzmaster and a Les Paul that both had identical
Lawrence L-500s and they sounded REAL different.
Yeah, but they still had their vastly different bridge hardware and
scale lengths (25.5" vs. 24.75")

Andy.
Post by asdfg
Post by Andy
Post by Da Kine
because I'm rich and like pretty things that cost lots of money - just
not too much-
Dude, like the surf punks, like put a pickup in a skateboard - dude!
An electric guitar is mostly the pickup and much less anything else.
You know because you have one. I really hate it when people try to make
it something magical. The most important thing on an electric guitar is
the pickup, then the neck and lastly the tonewood. Make a hollow body
and the body makes more of a change in things.
I think an interesting experiment would be to get say, a Gibson SG.
Replace the neck and convert to a 25.5" scale like a Fender. Remove the
humbucking pickups and put in a pair of real Tele single coils. Convert
the bridge to a Fender string-thru-body type.
Bet it'd sound like a Tele.
Cheers,
Andy.
Keith Adams
2006-03-06 10:09:38 UTC
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Thats exactly what Les Paul did. He carved a neck on a 4"x4 "post
,installed tuners,pickup and bridge then called it The Log.a It sounded
good but didnt go over well with the crowds he was playing for so he
put some archtop wings on it. Instant success. As far as what I've been
able to dig up thats the only complete guitar he ever built or
designed.

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because I'm rich and like pretty things that cost lots of money - just
not too much-

Dude, like the surf punks, like put a pickup in a skateboard - dude!


An electric guitar is mostly the pickup and much less anything else.
You know because you have one. I really hate it when people try to make
it something magical. The most important thing on an electric guitar is
the pickup, then the neck and lastly the tonewood. Make a hollow body
and the body makes more of a change in things.
Cornelia Schneider
2006-03-04 18:17:01 UTC
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Post by Guncho
Then why don't you literally get a plank with a pickup?
That's what Les Paul originally did, didn't he? The famous 'Log'.

Cornelia *yeah, I know he worked it out a little more after
some time*
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Keith Adams
2006-03-04 03:55:11 UTC
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I wish I could get the guitars I build to have a different sound . They
all seem to have the same basic sound and tone to them regardless of
the pickups,pots and tone caps used.. Of course some might have more
high frequencies due to pots and caps but the sound is there. Time to
try the blindfold test I guess ? Funny how your eyes can affect your
ears

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I have a $5,000 hand made Zeidler, a Martin acoustic, a parts Fender
Strat, a 73, 4003 RIC bass and a Turser Beatle bass I got new when they
were around $250 bucks.

To me they all play equally well, and I get out of them everthing that
I want.

You just have to research, play them before buying them, which means
NEVER NEVER buy one by ordering from the manufacturer.

I can pick up three different, same model rics at the dealer and each
one can be more correctly intoned than the other, have a different
action and a different althogether sound. That's the price you pay
for their manufacturing process.
Guncho
2006-03-04 15:19:37 UTC
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Post by Keith Adams
I wish I could get the guitars I build to have a different sound . They
all seem to have the same basic sound and tone to them regardless of
the pickups,pots and tone caps used.. Of course some might have more
high frequencies due to pots and caps but the sound is there. Time to
try the blindfold test I guess ? Funny how your eyes can affect your
ears
Maybe you need your hearing tested?

Chris
Da Kine
2006-03-04 15:47:41 UTC
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maybe you need to get laid!


to someone else then rosie
Scott McDaniel
2006-03-04 19:42:51 UTC
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Post by Da Kine
maybe you need to get laid!
This has my vote for quote of the month!
Keith Adams
2006-03-06 10:22:37 UTC
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Maybe you little girls should try and be more creative in your insults?
Guncho. Man dont instigate the choir boys. Okay?

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maybe you need to get laid!


to someone else then rosie
Da Kine
2006-03-06 15:32:05 UTC
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Hey - nothing beats the classics
Keith Adams
2006-03-06 10:11:05 UTC
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No , The hearings fine thanks.
Post by Keith Adams
I wish I could get the guitars I build to have a different sound . They
all seem to have the same basic sound and tone to them regardless of
the pickups,pots and tone caps used.. Of course some might have more
high frequencies due to pots and caps but the sound is there. Time to
try the blindfold test I guess ? Funny how your eyes can affect your
ears
Maybe you need your hearing tested?

Chris
Keith Adams
2006-03-01 02:05:50 UTC
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Andy its obvious that you have alot of experience with guitars and I'm
sure your Rickenbacker beef is valid. On the other hand we have Lee
Waun whose opinion is about as valuable as a mountain of cold hoot owl
shit.
FWIW, the worst guitar I've ever owned was a genuine Ric 620/12.
Looked great tho'
Andy.
I can believe that.
I used to own a ric 320 330 and 360 and I couldn't get rid of them fast
enough. Sad thing was I traded in my tobacco sunburst Gibson Les Paul for
the 360.
Oh the bad decisions we make.....
Yikes...you bought three of the stinkers?! ;-)


Cheers,

Andy.
no_name
2006-03-02 01:54:39 UTC
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Post by Keith Adams
Andy its obvious that you have alot of experience with guitars and I'm
sure your Rickenbacker beef is valid. On the other hand we have Lee
Waun whose opinion is about as valuable as a mountain of cold hoot owl
shit.
With a mountain of cold hoot owl shit, you've at least got ingredients
to make fertilizer.
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